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Chapter? ?2286 - Derivation’s? ?Immortal? ?Might? ??

Chapter? ?2286:? ?Derivation’s? ?Immortal? ?Might? ??

The? ?shocking? ?change? ?to? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable? ?who? ?was? ?inside? ?the? ?two? ?heavens? ?ruined? ?the? ?plans? ?of? ?the? ?venerables? ?again.? ??

Eastern? ?Sea.? ??

Fang? ?Yuan? ?raised? ?his? ?head? ?and? ?used? ?his? ?investigative? ?killer? ?move.? ??

He? ?saw? ?that? ?the? ?icy? ?flame? ?had? ?covered? ?half? ?of? ?the? ?immemorial? ?two? ?heavens,? ?everywhere? ?it? ?went,? ?all? ?life? ?was? ?extinguished.? ?Even? ?immemorial? ?desolate? ?beasts? ?could? ?not? ?last? ?long.? ??

This? ?was? ?definitely? ?a? ?slaughter.? ??

Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable? ?benefited? ?greatly? ?from? ?this,? ?his? ?entire? ?body? ?had? ?grown? ?to? ?a? ?hundred? ?times? ?of? ?when? ?he? ?was? ?in? ?Crazed? ?Demon? ?Cave!? ?He? ?had? ?over? ?ten? ?thousand? ?black? ?pillar-like? ?arms? ?now.? ??

His? ?terrifying? ?aura? ?and? ?killing? ?intent? ?permeated? ?the? ?entire? ?heaven.? ??

Although? ?he? ?was? ?motionless? ?in? ?the? ?two? ?heavens,? ?he? ?took? ?the? ?role? ?of? ?the? ?old? ?sun? ?of? ?white? ?heaven,? ?he? ?was? ?now? ?the? ?absolute? ?overlord? ?of? ?the? ?night? ?sky.? ??

“Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge...”? ?Fang? ?Yuan’s? ?gaze? ?was? ?deep.? ??

He? ?had? ?already? ?found? ?out? ?that? ?the? ?cause? ?of? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable’s? ?huge? ?change? ?was? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge.? ??

Ever? ?since? ?the? ?fate? ?war,? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?had? ?betrayed? ?Heavenly? ?Court? ?and? ?gone? ?missing.? ??

To? ?think? ?that? ?the? ?next? ?time? ?he? ?showed? ?up,? ?he? ?did? ?such? ?a? ?shocking? ?thing.? ??

But? ?the? ?suspicious? ?thing? ?to? ?Fang? ?Yuan? ?was? ?that? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?seemed? ?to? ?still? ?have? ?his? ?pseudo? ?venerable? ?battle? ?strength!? ??

This? ?was? ?the? ?only? ?explanation? ?for? ?how? ?he? ?could? ?quickly? ?affect? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable? ?and? ?escape? ?successfully.? ??

Be? ?it? ?Fang? ?Yuan,? ?Giant? ?Sun? ?Immortal? ?Venerable,? ?or? ?Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable,? ?they? ?could? ?not? ?use? ?their? ?investigative? ?method? ?on? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable? ?all? ?the? ?time.? ?This? ?required? ?thoughts? ?and? ?immortal? ?essence.? ??

That? ?was? ?also? ?why? ?Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?created? ?the? ?star? ?array? ?calculation? ?formation,? ?it? ?helped? ?her? ?to? ?monitor? ?the? ?whole? ?of? ?Central? ?Continent.? ??

“Destiny? ?song...”? ??

“It? ?is? ?able? ?to? ?allow? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable? ?and? ?the? ?wild? ?fire? ?Gu? ?to? ?coexist,? ?achieving? ?harmony.? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge’s? ?killer? ?move? ?has? ?gotten? ?stronger.”? ??

Fang? ?Yuan? ?was? ?now? ?a? ?refinement? ?path? ?venerable.? ??

In? ?the? ?entire? ?world,? ?aside? ?from? ?the? ?venerables,? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?was? ?the? ?number? ?one? ?person? ?who? ?deserved? ?Fang? ?Yuan’s? ?attention? ?the? ?most!? ??

This? ?person’s? ?talent? ?was? ?shocking? ?to? ?the? ?world,? ?he? ?was? ?even? ?Feng? ?Jin? ?Huang’s? ?father.? ??

In? ?the? ?five? ?hundred? ?years? ?of? ?Fang? ?Yuan’s? ?previous? ?life,? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?was? ?plotted? ?against? ?by? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable? ?and? ?died? ?while? ?attacking? ?Lang? ?Ya? ?blessed? ?land.? ??

Now? ?that? ?Fang? ?Yuan? ?thought? ?about? ?it,? ?he? ?could? ?see? ?that? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable? ?had? ?also? ?paid? ?a? ?lot? ?of? ?attention? ?to? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge!? ??

Precisely? ?because? ?of? ?this,? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable? ?plotted? ?and? ?killed? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge.? ?Otherwise,? ?during? ?those? ?five? ?hundred? ?years,? ?he? ?would? ?have? ?created? ?his? ?own? ?legend? ?and? ?shone? ?brightly? ?like? ?the? ?stars.? ??

The? ?weird? ?thing? ?was? ?that? ?although? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?plotted? ?to? ?kill? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?in? ?that? ?life,? ?currently,? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?seemed? ?to? ?be? ?helping? ?the? ?former? ?instead!? ??

“So,? ?is? ?the? ?pseudo? ?venerable? ?battle? ?strength? ?that? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?possesses? ?a? ?result? ?of? ?future? ?self? ?or? ?did? ?he? ?cultivate? ?himself? ?during? ?this? ?period? ?of? ?time?”? ??

Fang? ?Yuan? ?pondered? ?deeply.? ??

This? ?was? ?a? ?crucial? ?question.? ??

If? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?still? ?had? ?future? ?self? ?killer? ?move,? ?that? ?meant? ?that? ?he? ?still? ?had? ?a? ?close? ?connection? ?to? ?Red? ?Lotus? ?Demon? ?Venerable!? ??

In? ?that? ?case,? ?the? ?person? ?behind? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?would? ?be? ?Red? ?Lotus? ?Demon? ?Venerable,? ?meaning? ?he? ?was? ?plotting? ?from? ?behind? ?the? ?scenes.? ??

Fang? ?Yuan? ?knew? ?about? ?the? ?relationship? ?between? ?these? ?two.? ??

Back? ?then,? ?after? ?he? ?failed? ?and? ?was? ?reborn,? ?in? ?order? ?to? ?destroy? ?fate? ?Gu,? ?he? ?gave? ?crucial? ?intel? ?to? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?and? ?allowed? ?him? ?to? ?get? ?his? ?own? ?Red? ?Lotus? ?true? ?inheritance.? ??

Why? ?was? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?helping? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable?? ?There? ?was? ?also? ?Heavenly? ?Court’s? ?attitude? ?towards? ?him? ?that? ?Fang? ?Yuan? ?had? ?to? ?consider? ?now.? ??

Right? ?now,? ?Fang? ?Yuan? ?knew? ?that? ?Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?had? ?sent? ?Heavenly? ?Court? ?Gu? ?Immortals? ?to? ?hunt? ?down? ?the? ?remnants? ?of? ?Shadow? ?Sect? ?like? ?Fairy? ?Zi? ?Wei.? ?Then,? ?why? ?was? ?Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?not? ?going? ?after? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge?? ?Why? ?did? ?they? ?leave? ?Feng? ?Jin? ?Huang? ?alone,? ?as? ?if? ?they? ?forgot? ?about? ?her?? ??

What? ?was? ?Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?planning?? ??

Spring? ?Autumn? ?Cicada? ?could? ?not? ?be? ?used? ?anymore,? ?while? ?Fang? ?Yuan? ?did? ?not? ?know? ?of? ?many? ?secrets? ?and? ?hidden? ?information? ?now.? ??

And? ?because? ?he? ?lacked? ?effective? ?investigative? ?methods? ?that? ?could? ?be? ?used? ?on? ?the? ?venerables,? ?he? ?had? ?to? ?pretend? ?to? ?be? ?weak? ?and? ?only? ?make? ?guesses? ?blindly.? ??

Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?had? ?already? ?healed,? ?after? ?leaving? ?Heavenly? ?Court,? ?she? ?had? ?been? ?refining? ?Central? ?Continent’s? ?wisdom? ?path? ?dao? ?marks? ?these? ?days.? ??

At? ?the? ?same? ?time,? ?she? ?was? ?making? ?deductions.? ??

“Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge...? ?destiny? ?song...”? ??

“I? ?cultivate? ?wisdom? ?path? ?which? ?controls? ?certainty.? ?Giant? ?Sun? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?cultivates? ?luck? ?path? ?which? ?explores? ?uncertainty.? ?This? ?destiny? ?song? ?actually? ?contains? ?both? ?certainty? ?and? ?uncertainty,? ?it? ?involves? ?heaven? ?path? ?and? ?human? ?path!”? ??

Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?recalled? ?her? ?own? ?experiences,? ?throughout? ?humanity’s? ?history,? ?or? ?even? ?the? ?variant? ?human’s? ?history,? ?in? ?terms? ?of? ?pure? ?talent,? ?Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?was? ?definitely? ?top? ?ten.? ??

“Feng? ?Jiu? ?Ge? ?met? ?with? ?Fairy? ?Zi? ?Wei? ?and? ?the? ?rest,? ?he? ?might? ?have? ?helped? ?them.? ?Right? ?now,? ?he? ?helped? ?Spectral? ?Soul? ?Demon? ?Venerable,? ?these? ?actions? ?will? ?greatly? ?benefit? ?his? ?destiny? ?song? ?killer? ?move.”? ?

?

Heavenly? ?Court’s? ?pursuers? ?failed.? ??

They? ?could? ?not? ?bring? ?back? ?Fairy? ?Zi? ?Wei? ?and? ?the? ?rest.? ??

But? ?through? ?the? ?traces? ?left? ?behind,? ?Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?managed? ?to? ?deduce? ?many? ?details? ?of? ?the? ?truth.? ??

At? ?this? ?moment,? ?inside? ?Heavenly? ?Court.? ??

Derivation? ?formation? ?was? ?currently? ?in? ?operation.? ??

Che? ?Wei? ?and? ?several? ?other? ?Gu? ?Immortals? ?stood? ?before? ?the? ?formation? ?and? ?waited.? ??

The? ?ten? ?children? ?of? ?human? ?path? ?had? ?left? ?Heavenly? ?Court? ?already,? ?their? ?memories? ?regarding? ?this? ?were? ?deleted.? ??

This? ?was? ?done? ?by? ?Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?personally,? ?she? ?did? ?not? ?remove? ?their? ?memories? ?carelessly,? ?she? ?had? ?altered? ?them? ?meticulously.? ??

In? ?the? ?following? ?period,? ?these? ?ten? ?children? ?of? ?human? ?path? ?would? ?have? ?bursts? ?of? ?’inspiration’? ?which? ?would? ?allow? ?them? ?to? ?’create’? ?the? ?respective? ?Gu? ?recipes.? ??

Fang? ?Yuan? ?was? ?a? ?vigilant? ?person,? ?but? ?Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?was? ?even? ?more? ?vigilant? ?when? ?it? ?came? ?to? ?this.? ??

She? ?did? ?the? ?same? ?to? ?anyone? ?who? ?had? ?come? ?into? ?contact? ?with? ?the? ?derivation? ?formation.? ??

In? ?this? ?case,? ?as? ?long? ?as? ?one? ?did? ?not? ?have? ?higher? ?wisdom? ?path? ?attainment? ?than? ?her,? ?they? ?would? ?not? ?be? ?able? ?to? ?gain? ?intel? ?about? ?the? ?derivation? ?formation? ?from? ?the? ?ten? ?children? ?of? ?human? ?path.? ??

The? ?derivation? ?formation? ?was? ?too? ?important? ?to? ?Heavenly? ?Court.? ??

Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?had? ?to? ?think? ?of? ?ways? ?to? ?protect? ?this? ?secret? ?to? ?the? ?best? ?of? ?her? ?abilities!? ??

Ruan? ?Dan? ?flew? ?out? ?from? ?the? ?derivation? ?formation.? ??

Che? ?Wei? ?and? ?the? ?rest? ?quickly? ?went? ?up? ?and? ?asked? ?for? ?the? ?results.? ??

Ruan? ?Dan’s? ?expression? ?soon? ?went? ?back? ?to? ?normal,? ?it? ?was? ?extremely? ?excited:? ?”Amazing,? ?this? ?derivation? ?formation? ?is? ?too? ?amazing!? ?I? ?obtained? ?over? ?a? ?thousand? ?pill? ?path? ?Gu? ?recipes,? ?among? ?which? ?are? ?a? ?hundred? ?Immortal? ?Gu? ?recipes!? ?I’ve? ?tried? ?to? ?create? ?pill? ?path? ?killer? ?moves? ?for? ?so? ?long? ?without? ?much? ?progress,? ?but? ?now,? ?I? ?obtained? ?more? ?than? ?two? ?hundred? ?killer? ?moves,? ?among? ?which,? ?there? ?are? ?over? ?fifty? ?immortal? ?killer? ?moves!!”? ??

Che? ?Wei? ?and? ?the? ?rest? ?were? ?shook.? ??

Ruan? ?Dan? ?was? ?the? ?first? ?to? ?enter? ?the? ?formation,? ?to? ?think? ?that? ?the? ?gains? ?would? ?be? ?so? ?immense!? ??

Different? ?from? ?the? ?ten? ?children? ?of? ?human? ?path,? ?Ruan? ?Dan? ?was? ?a? ?legendary? ?immemorial? ?desolate? ?beast,? ?it? ?had? ?a? ?long? ?lifespan? ?and? ?countless? ?experiences,? ?its? ?foundation? ?was? ?very? ?deep.? ??

“Friend? ?Ruan? ?Dan,? ?although? ?you? ?created? ?pill? ?path,? ?you? ?do? ?not? ?know? ?much? ?about? ?other? ?paths.? ?With? ?this? ?derivation? ?formation,? ?you? ?can? ?come? ?into? ?contact? ?with? ?the? ?research? ?results? ?of? ?other? ?paths? ?by? ?using? ?pill? ?path? ?as? ?the? ?core.? ?After? ?creating? ?a? ?resonance,? ?countless? ?new? ?results? ?would? ?be? ?derived,? ?thus,? ?your? ?gains? ?were? ?so? ?immense!”? ?Feng? ?Da? ?Qi? ?analyzed.? ??

She? ?was? ?a? ?Gu? ?Immortal? ?of? ?Heavenly? ?Lotus? ?Sect,? ?this? ?time,? ?Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?had? ?chosen? ?her? ?to? ?become? ?one? ?of? ?the? ?people? ?entering? ?the? ?derivation? ?formation.? ??

Ruan? ?Dan? ?nodded? ?in? ?agreement:? ?”Fairy? ?Feng? ?is? ?right.? ?For? ?a? ?brand? ?new? ?path? ?like? ?pill? ?path,? ?the? ?first? ?step? ?of? ?development? ?is? ?to? ?popularize? ?it.? ?After? ?many? ?generations? ?of? ?Gu? ?cultivators? ?come? ?into? ?contact? ?and? ?cultivate? ?it,? ?through? ?their? ?various? ?life? ?experiences? ?and? ?perspectives,? ?they? ?will? ?slowly? ?build? ?pill? ?path? ?with? ?their? ?unique? ?ideas.”? ??

“After? ?that,? ?more? ?and? ?more? ?cultivators? ?will? ?emerge,? ?among? ?which,? ?geniuses? ?will? ?create? ?new? ?advancements? ?and? ?breakthrough,? ?obtaining? ?huge? ?research? ?results.”? ??

“But? ?now,? ?the? ?derivation? ?formation? ?has? ?taken? ?the? ?place? ?of? ?all? ?these? ?steps.? ?Using? ?all? ?sorts? ?of? ?exceptional? ?Gu? ?Immortal? ?inheritances,? ?the? ?historical? ?characters? ?are? ?helping? ?us? ?in? ?this? ?development.? ?In? ?just? ?a? ?short? ?period? ?of? ?time,? ?we? ?can? ?accumulate? ?a? ?vast? ?amount? ?of? ?pill? ?path? ?foundation.”? ??

After? ?hearing? ?the? ?analysis,? ?Che? ?Wei? ?and? ?the? ?rest? ?had? ?increasingly? ?heated? ?gazes.? ??

“I? ?will? ?go? ?next.”? ?Che? ?Wei? ?was? ?the? ?second? ?person? ?to? ?enter? ?the? ?formation.? ??

Several? ?days? ?later,? ?he? ?came? ?out.? ??

His? ?gains? ?were? ?as? ?huge? ?as? ?Ruan? ?Dan!? ??

The? ?immortals? ?continued? ?their? ?analysis.? ??

Ruan? ?Dan? ?said:? ?”Friend? ?Che? ?Wei,? ?although? ?you? ?have? ?only? ?created? ?weapon? ?path? ?for? ?a? ?short? ?time? ?unlike? ?me,? ?you? ?are? ?a? ?purebred? ?human? ?with? ?the? ?strongest? ?spirituality.? ?Therefore,? ?your? ?gains? ?are? ?equal? ?to? ?mine.? ?If? ?you? ?had? ?created? ?this? ?path? ?for? ?a? ?longer? ?time,? ?your? ?gains? ?will? ?even? ?exceed? ?mine.”? ??

Che? ?Wei? ?shook? ?his? ?head? ?in? ?response:? ?”I? ?do? ?not? ?agree? ?with? ?this? ?conjecture.”? ??

“Any? ?path? ?that? ?reaches? ?grandmaster? ?attainment? ?can? ?learn? ?about? ?any? ?path? ?using? ?their? ?own? ?as? ?a? ?foundation.? ?Through? ?their? ?path,? ?they? ?can? ?mimic? ?the? ?expertise? ?of? ?other? ?paths.? ?For? ?example,? ?one? ?can? ?use? ?fire? ?path? ?Gu? ?worms? ?to? ?create? ?a? ?move? ?with? ?water? ?path? ?abilities.”? ??

“The? ?derivation? ?formation? ?might? ?be? ?a? ?forceful? ?type? ?of? ?mimicry.”? ??

“The? ?vast? ?number? ?of? ?true? ?inheritances? ?stored? ?in? ?the? ?immortal? ?formation? ?were? ?described? ?through? ?Ruan? ?Dan’s? ?pill? ?path? ?and? ?my? ?weapon? ?path.? ?For? ?example,? ?the? ?iron? ?rod? ?Gu? ?recipe? ?that? ?I? ?obtained? ?is? ?the? ?result? ?of? ?converting? ?metal? ?path? ?into? ?weapon? ?path.? ?There? ?is? ?also? ?leather? ?whip? ?Gu? ?which? ?is? ?the? ?resulting? ?derivation? ?by? ?combining? ?transformation? ?path? ?and? ?weapon? ?path.”? ??

Che? ?Wei’s? ?words? ?made? ?the? ?immortals’? ?understanding? ?of? ?derivation? ?formation? ?deepen? ?again.? ??

It? ?was? ?Feng? ?Da? ?Qi’s? ?turn.? ??

She? ?only? ?had? ?rank? ?seven? ?cultivation? ?level? ?but? ?was? ?Genesis? ?Lotus? ?Immortal? ?Venerable’s? ?bloodline? ?descendant.? ??

After? ?entering? ?the? ?formation,? ?she? ?only? ?spent? ?a? ?day? ?and? ?night? ?before? ?getting? ?out.? ??

After? ?returning,? ?she? ?had? ?a? ?smile? ?on? ?her? ?face.? ??

“I’ve? ?obtained? ?painting? ?path? ?research? ?results,? ?next,? ?I? ?will? ?refine? ?painting? ?path? ?Immortal? ?Gu? ?and? ?change? ?my? ?vital? ?Gu? ?to? ?painting? ?path.”? ??

The? ?immortals? ?congratulated? ?her.? ??

The? ?use? ?of? ?the? ?derivation? ?formation? ?was? ?not? ?just? ?to? ?help? ?develop? ?human? ?path,? ?pill? ?path,? ?and? ?weapon? ?path,? ?it? ?could? ?also? ?extract? ?the? ?specific? ?essence? ?of? ?the? ?various? ?paths? ?to? ?create? ?new? ?branches? ?of? ?an? ?existing? ?path.? ??

Genesis? ?Lotus? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?did? ?not? ?leave? ?any? ?painting? ?path? ?inheritance? ?for? ?his? ?descendants.? ??

But? ?through? ?the? ?derivation? ?formation,? ?Heavenly? ?Court? ?could? ?directly? ?nurture? ?their? ?own? ?painting? ?path? ?Gu? ?Immortals!? ??

Gu? ?are? ?the? ?essence? ?of? ?heaven? ?and? ?earth,? ?man? ?is? ?the? ?spirit? ?of? ?all? ?living? ?beings.? ??

There? ?was? ?no? ?point? ?in? ?discussing? ?the? ?strongest? ?Gu? ?worm,? ?only? ?the? ?strongest? ?Gu? ?Immortal? ?mattered.? ??

The? ?way? ?of? ?Gu? ?involved? ?nurturing,? ?use? ?and? ?refinement,? ?these? ?were? ?all? ?integral.? ??

Limitless? ?Demon? ?Venerable? ?used? ?rank? ?nine? ?derivation? ?Immortal? ?Gu? ?and? ?other? ?cores? ?to? ?create? ?his? ?Crazed? ?Demon? ?formation.? ??

He? ?created? ?the? ?truthful? ?floating? ?ice? ?and? ?tried? ?to? ?utilize? ?his? ?eternal? ?life? ?research? ?results? ?but? ?failed? ?in? ?the? ?end,? ?more? ?than? ?half? ?of? ?the? ?truthful? ?floating? ?ice? ?was? ?lost.? ?The? ?remaining? ?portion? ?was? ?split? ?into? ?three? ?by? ?Fang? ?Yuan? ?and? ?the? ?two? ?venerables.? ??

Star? ?Constellation? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?used? ?derivation? ?Immortal? ?Gu? ?to? ?create? ?the? ?derivation? ?formation,? ?allowing? ?the? ?various? ?paths? ?to? ?develop? ?rapidly.? ?A? ?vast? ?amount? ?of? ?research? ?results? ?were? ?produced,? ?saving? ?a? ?lot? ?of? ?time? ?and? ?also? ?preventing? ?these? ?results? ?from? ?leaking? ?to? ?the? ?outside? ?world,? ?which? ?was? ?a? ?huge? ?drawback? ?of? ?development.? ??

If? ?Giant? ?Sun? ?Immortal? ?Venerable? ?had? ?such? ?a? ?method,? ?he? ?would? ?not? ?have? ?needed? ?to? ?make? ?his? ?Blood? ?Sea? ?clone? ?distribute? ?blood? ?path? ?inheritances? ?worldwide.? ??